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PostPosted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 11:38 am    Post subject: 350 rebuild Reply with quote

Here is my situation. Currently I have a mid 80's sbc which I know very little about. I have roughly 1,000 dollars to spend on parts, plus I already have a 600 cfm holley and an edelbrock rpm intake. A new distributor or a rebuild kit for it will be necessary. I would like some interesting ideas on how to do the rebuild. I'm not really looking for the common 350 rebuild or 383 stroker, maybe something that can really rev high... Pretty much what I can afford, and something that should last a couple summers.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 1:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you don't do it right, and rev it really high it won't last an hour---you might be better served going the budget 383 route and keeping the revs down----you can make speed two ways one is with torque and the other is by high rpms---torque is cheaper---even a budget 383 can rev to 5000+ if its balanced and thats plenty for anything on the street.but for a thousands buck its going to be hard to do much more than a rering and bearings and do it right---that means having everthing checked to be sure its in good usable shape, I wish you luck, I understand working on a budget...........Dan
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 1:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I understand that my budget isn't set for a high rpm small block, so if i was going to go for torque (in a heavy 6Cool a 383 with a cast crank would probably work. I am still up for some unique maybe proven combo that will help my meager budget make some power.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 3:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you're not planning on making passes down the 1320 every weekend and a grand is your budget I'd concentrate on intake, heads, and exhaust. If your stock bottom end is in good shape then you'll see the best bang for the buck and it'll last forever so long as you stay away from the 5500RPM mark.

Race any motor, even a 6 figure motor, and it's going to have a short life no matter what it's got in it. Race teams treat engines like brake pads, they expect them to wear out and need replacement regularly.

Just having fun around town won't hurt a good stock bottom end with some better flowing top-end parts. Either have some flow work done on your stock heads or get a set of better flowing heads. Match that to a cam with a little more overlap to allow better breathing and a decent set of headers to put the cherry on top.

That should all be do-able on a grand budget.

Note, that assumes the rest of the drivetrain doesn't need attention.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 3:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would like to make it out to the track, but mostly I want to drive on the street. For exhaust I did not mention it but I have generic long tube headers, and two 2.5 inch pipes going to flowmaster 40 series mufflers with turndowns. I agree that not messing with the bottom end would open more money up for heads and cam, but for the most part the car has been sitting for 20 years so I plan on instpecting it regardless. Also will I see any advantages between dome or flat top pistons? Straight or angle plug?
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 10, 2008 7:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

year wrote:
I understand that my budget isn't set for a high rpm small block, so if i was going to go for torque (in a heavy 6Cool a 383 with a cast crank would probably work. I am still up for some unique maybe proven combo that will help my meager budget make some power.


Click on my homepage link below and check out the engine page.
I had to totally rebuild my engine, but my setup may be what you're looking for.

Not high reving, but plenty of low-end (tire frying) torque.

If you don't have to rebuild the lower end of the engine, add an HEI distributor and a nice cam shaft (under ½" lift) and you should be able to make some nice horsepower gains.

For $1000 you should be able to get a set of Vortec heads (complete, ready to bolt on), an HEI distributor and a nice .465 lift Cam from Summit Racing. The heads are optional, but they flow better than the stock design.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 10, 2008 9:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

thanks for the link, nice page. Hows your engine holding up? That looked like a straight foreward rebuild that I could handle. And you did that for about 1000 dollars minus the heads? Of course I still have to take the heads off to see whats going on there, this weekend.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 11, 2008 3:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

year wrote:
thanks for the link, nice page. Hows your engine holding up?

The engine is running great, no leaks, no problems. Plenty of power and it sounds great. I'm very happy.
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That looked like a straight foreward rebuild that I could handle. And you did that for about 1000 dollars minus the heads? Of course I still have to take the heads off to see whats going on there, this weekend.

No no no, I had to rebuild that engine from the ground up. About the only thing I didn't buy new was the engine block, all the internal parts are new. I figure I spent close to $4000. I could have gotten a crate motor cheaper, but I wanted to do all the work on this car myself.
This is what I wrote:
If you don't have to rebuild the lower end of the engine, add an HEI distributor and a nice cam shaft (under ½" lift) and you should be able to make some nice horsepower gains.
For $1000 you should be able to get a set of Vortec heads (complete, ready to bolt on), an HEI distributor and a nice .465 lift Cam from Summit Racing. The heads are optional, but they flow better than the stock design.

If you go to Summit Racing's page and create a user account, you'll be able to use a feature called My Garage. There you can store all the parts you want to get in one place to see what it will cost you.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 11, 2008 3:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the tip about the Summit website. $4,000 is over my budget unfortunatly, as were mos tof the kits from summit. Northern auto parts had a 383 kit for $639 that looks like an excellent banf for the buck. I should be able to work out a deal to get all the machining done at little or no cost, and still stay within my budget. (I wish i didn't have a budget Smile).
Also I had asked around about vortec heads, and I recieved some skepisism about the number of intake bolts they have. I guess with less bolts they are more prone to leaking, which is not something i'd want to risk after putting all the time and effort into it. Maybe someone has had experiance with that sort of thing, although i'm not sure its a common problem on a primarley street car.
thanks for your replies in advance.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 12, 2008 6:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've run a couple different sets of Vortec heads with two different intake manifolds. I have had no problems with any leaks. I wouldn't be afraid to use them on anything.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 12, 2008 2:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

thats good to hear. are the intakes specific to the vortec heads, or should my old manifold work?
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 12, 2008 2:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You MUST use a Vortec manifold with Vortech heads. They do not interchange at all.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 12, 2008 4:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gotcha, thats probably going to make me go for some "cheap" (relitively) aluminum heads, then i can reuse my manifold also.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 12, 2008 4:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Remember, you get what you pay for. If you're on a budget. You can get aftermarket cast iron heads that flow well and save you about $300.00 over aluminum heads.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 14, 2008 10:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree the iron heads should save some cash. Now I think I am going to 383 route to get more bang for the buck. Using stock length rods, will yeild higher compresion, so aluminium will help me run lower octane gas and maybe pay itself off (probably won't ever tho).
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