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Dual Jet tuning specs and loose throttlr rod.

 
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 13, 2008 11:12 am    Post subject: Dual Jet tuning specs and loose throttlr rod. Reply with quote

I have gone through the paper by Lars Grimsrud on tuning the Q-Jet using the information on the primarys to tune my Dual-Jet. Everything is set up the way it should be but I am not sure the jet/metering rod set up is optimal.

Does anyone run a Dual Jet on a 229 V6? If so what setup do you run??

When I started I had a Q-Jet with the Secondaries blocked it had a 72/46 Jet/rod setup. It ran fine but after a year it developed a lumpieness. When I changed to the Dual Jet it initially had a 72/50 Jet/rod setup (came with the carb) and I could not start the car unless I dumped fuel into the intake. So I changed the rods to the 46s that came out of the Q-Jet. Then the car will start and run but its still lumpy and accelerates poorly. This was an increase in jet area of about 12%. But now my mileage has gone from 19 mpg to just 10 mpg!!! I am considering going to a set of 42 rods to see if that works but dont want to increase the fuel consumption.

BUT as I was working on the thing this morning I noticed that the throttle shaft going through the bottom of the carb seems to have a lot of play in it. Can this be a cause of an extreme lean condition that I am trying to correct with metering rods?

If so, what is the fix for a loosely fitting throttle shaft?

Or do I just have to buy a new carb?
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 13, 2008 10:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You will need to have bushings installed in the carb . This is a normal procedure for carburetor shops. I have seen kits for DIYS bushings, but I believe I would have it done by a pro. It's just like a vacuum leak when the throttle shaft has a lot of play in the carb.

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 13, 2008 10:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What are the bushings made of? I can machine my own.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 13, 2008 11:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I just did some extensive research on this and I am now convinced that the problem is, indeed, a need for rebushing the throttle shaft. I checked the old Q-Jet and it has a loose throttle shaft also so that was the original problem and then the "new" used Dual-Jet also has a loose shaft. The other symptoms were intermittent rough running and a sticking throttle. That explains why changing the carbs didnt help, they were both leaking. Now I need to find a source for some bushings. I will probably be able to go back to the leaner 50th metering rods after I rebush the throttle shaft.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 14, 2008 3:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Found this on Google Jim after typing in "Throttle Shaft Bushings".

http://home.comcast.net/~rhodes/Tech_Carb_Bushing_Reaming.pdf

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 14, 2008 5:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, I found that also and saved it. I also found a source for the bushings at the cost was quite reasonable. $11.70 including postage.

Thanks for looking for me.
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