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Posted: Sun Apr 25, 2004 5:45 pm Post subject: CA- LEGISLATIVE ALERT
I read this in the June '04 issue of Car Craft. On page 26 and 27.
CA is after the hot rodders again. CA state assemblywoman Sally Lieber (D-District 22) has introduced another bill intended to repeal the current pro-car-crafting provision that allows emissions testing exemption of cars 30 years or older. Lieber's bill would abolish this and require permanent testing of all post '76 vehicles.
If this sounds like a bad CA rerun, that's exactly what it is. The current administration has failed to achieve their air quality goals and is now grasping for any type of plan the will help. This effort is contrary to the overwhelming evidence that shows that older cars represent such a small percentage of total vehicle population that these changes will deliver no positive movement toward cleaner air.
To fight this newest threat to older hot rods in CA, contact State Assemblywoman Lieber at: Assemblywoman.Lieber@assembly.ca.gov Or go to SEMAand click on the consumer button. This will tell you how to contact your state rep.
There is political gain to be had by pushing this issue although the smog problem will not be improved if the legislation passes. As long as politicians can get some gain for themselves by taking this action instead of the real productive steps, they will continue. It is sad that politicians support their financial base by playing these games. Wouldn't it be nice if we, the voters, could know how politicians will vote after being elected? _________________ 86 caballero, 350 cid, TH350C
Might be time for another recall vote! _________________ 1986 El Camino SS
1972 Chevelle (project)
2000 Corvette
1995 Lexus SC 400
1992 C1500 truck (4 sale)
2003 GMC Yukon
Necoa #: 2682
Location: Pittsburg, California 94565
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Posts: 149
Posted: Sat Aug 21, 2004 5:24 pm Post subject: YES IT'S TRUE, BUT IT HASN'T HAPPENED YET....
Yes it is True that Now Here in California all Cars and Trucks ( including El Camino's) older that 1973 do not have to be smog tested for smog emmisions. However, if the Bill is passed, ALL autos will have to be updaged with current smog systems.
BUT IT HAS NOT HAPPEND YET, LETS HOPE NOT...... _________________ Yaba, Daba, Doo, How Sweet it is.......Or was!
I read in the Statesman Journal (Salem Oregon newspaper) that new Cali cars will have an even harder time passing new smog laws.
The manufacturers are going to pass the cost over to consumers.
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Location: Pittsburg, California 94565
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Posts: 149
Posted: Tue Nov 30, 2004 1:59 am Post subject:
79HellCamino wrote:
I read in the Statesman Journal (Salem Oregon newspaper) that new Cali cars will have an even harder time passing new smog laws.
The manufacturers are going to pass the cost over to consumers.
I don't think that cost will stop at Cali either.
Yea your right, It won't stop in Califonria.
We that are in CA. are setting the pace for the rest of the country for not only the Smog laws, but everything else our so called state goverment law makers say is for our own best interest....Yea Right....
God Help Ya all in the other states,,,pray for us here in CA. that their new goofy ideas won't work for your own sake..... _________________ Yaba, Daba, Doo, How Sweet it is.......Or was!
Necoa #: 2321
Location: 15(AZ,NM)
Joined: Jan 30, 2004
Posts: 1168
Year: 1974
Model: El Camino
Posted: Tue Nov 30, 2004 8:27 am Post subject: AZ is full of stupid legislators too...
In Arizona we lost the rolling emissions exemption almost 20 years ago. Then we were forced to do not only an idle tailpipe test but a loaded test too. Not too fair in my book since the car bone stock was never designed to pass a loaded test. In fact if it was bone stock I could never pass which is what they really want anyway. THey call anything over 10 years old a "Gross Polluter" really, I didn't make that up. All us old Elky drivers out there are "Gross polluters" guess I shouldn't of had that burrito
Every year I get to go to the official State Emissions inspection station staffed by trained monkeys whose job it is to make sure they fail every car they see by driving it like it would never be driven. Of course its a 50/50 coin toss as to whether I will get flak about no catalytic converters. OF course a 74 model like mine that came from the factory running on regular gas won't have any.
They also like to try to get me to pop the hood but I don't have to. anything older than model year 75 is limited to an equipment inspection that consists of checking the gas cap seal.
Now starts the fun of the loaded testing. They define the test as whatever they can do to get the car to fail an emissions reading under normal driving condtions. Unless you think its completely normal to take a car up to 90 miles per hour then stab the brakes then tromp on the gas again I would have to say it's a bit too subjective to be scientifically accurate.
(See they do that because it makes carbureted cars load up and puke fuel out the tailpipe so they can fail you on the loaded test.)
Here they test idle right at startup, then test at the previously mentioned 90mph then test idle again just after stabbing the brakes.
All in the name of cleaner air. Don't bother to mention that I drive my El all of about 3000 miles a year and only at night and usually on a weekend at that.
We here in AZ look up to you there in CA for your legislative creatvity as it relates to motor vehicles. IT seems our legislature so admires your legislature's shenanigans that we too are flirting with the idea of cleaning the air in creative ways like banning cigarette smoking everywhere statewide just like CA.
So don't fret, you're not alone cuz out here in the dust and cactus we don't seem to have a legislature that has a clue either.. _________________ 74 El Camino Classic - project car #1
96 Camaro - RIP, Traded 10-16-2007
2008 Mustang GT, It ain't a Chevy but at least it's American!
Wouldn't it be nice if we, the voters, could know how politicians will vote after being elected?
You can, just look at how they voted before they ran for re-election. They can't hide their voting records they are a matter of public records and are free to obtain.
You can also figure out, pretty much, how they will vote based on their personal history if they haven't held office before.
You can also put the fear of no longer being an elected official by collecting enough signatures to demonstrate that you mean business on a topic and sending that information to them Via snail mail. Each signature would count towards getting your goals accomplished. That is how SEMA does it. Strength in Numbers. Make sure you let your representative know that this is not only a dead issue but should stay dead and never be offered on the table.
Look at it this way, even in hard economic time Car Parts Manufacturers, after market, make huge profits and employ hundreds of thousands of people. This would put those people out of work and hundreds of thousands of people would go onto the welfare rolls! That is a FACT.
If a Democrat steals 100 dollars from you then that is 1 person whose vote they won't get but if they now take that 100 they stole from you and give 1.00 to 100 people then there is 100 votes they get and so what if you don't vote for them they have 100 others that are stupid enough to put them in office. So you alone lose.
If you collect hundreds and even thousands of signatures then they fear for their high paying position and "power".
Necoa #: 572
Location: 10(IL,MN,WI)
Joined: Jan 28, 2003
Posts: 3617
Year: 1984
Model: El Camino
Posted: Tue Nov 30, 2004 12:06 pm Post subject:
Lets face it...they want the older cars off the roads. If your driving an older car it's either because you can't afford something newer or your a car enthusiast who's probably driving what they consider to be a gas guzzler. If you buy a new car your stimulating the economy and at the very least paying sales tax of some sort to your state besides what you pay for plates every year. SEMA needs to invest some money into fighting politicians that force these laws on us...waiting for the next election to vote them out is to late...the damage is done by then. I don't believe in cars that are gross polluters because they were neglected...these vehicles do need to be off the road...but specialty vehicles need to be left alone...they may use more gas and pollute a lil more than newer vehicles, but we drive them less and usually take better care of them. They need to go after the real polluters...factories, coal fired power plants, the trucking industry, and the airline industry and others...oh but they pay more in taxes don't they? I think the real issue here is tax revenue and targeting small groups of individuals is less damaging to politicians then raising everyones taxes all at once...that surely won't get them re-elected next time they run. I would not be against paying a reasonable fee for a specialty vehicle waiver of pollution requirements as long as it's not pollution from neglect. Any vehicle thats still on the road after 25 years is probably not because the owner couldn't afford something newer, it's probably because it's been taken care of as an antique or a specialty vehicle and in either case is a part of American Automobile History. But Arnold wouldn't know anything about that would he? _________________ "The day we lose our will to fight is the day we lose our freedom" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TG4fe9GlWS8
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Location: 12(MO,OK,KS)
Joined: Oct 21, 2004
Posts: 577
Year: 1985
Model: El Camino
Posted: Tue Nov 30, 2004 12:17 pm Post subject:
Here in Georgia, SOME of the bureaucrats have taken at least one step in a positive vein....
They are beginning a program to automatically detect, photograph and ticket those cars that emit visible smoke on the expressways. in other words, target the REAL "Gross polluters".
One unfortunate side of all this is that a large part of these "laws" come because of direct threats from the EPA. They threaten to withhold funds from state and local govenrments if their clean air standards are not met. SO, the politicians have to scramble to attack the offending parties, WHOEVER they perceive them to be in order to save their funding for roads. In other words ...they have to grovel and react to get us OUR FAIR SHARE of OUR OWN TAX DOLLARS.
My question is.....
Anyone here vote for the twits in the EPA???????
THEY are the real enemies here. _________________ Glenn
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Location: 15(AZ,NM)
Joined: Jan 30, 2004
Posts: 1168
Year: 1974
Model: El Camino
Posted: Tue Jan 11, 2005 2:50 am Post subject:
Ya know the best part about all these emissions laws it's their hypocrisy. More than once I have been behind a "fueled with clean efficient natural gas" cop car and watched it belching black smoke.
Oh well, What can you expect from a governor that drives a hummer.
Glad I don't live in CA.
Of course I live in AZ and things aren't much better here. In fact they're worse and force emissions testing and compliance all the way back to 1966 model year. We aint talking about idle testing either but rather loaded and idle testing.
_________________ 74 El Camino Classic - project car #1
96 Camaro - RIP, Traded 10-16-2007
2008 Mustang GT, It ain't a Chevy but at least it's American!
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Location: Pittsburg, California 94565
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Posts: 149
Posted: Tue Jan 11, 2005 11:02 am Post subject:
Pretty messed up isn't it ? It's gone to far, way to far for me....
One question: How long does it take to change out a Smog motor with a performance motor ? Maybe a day, if you know what your doing.
I think for my 5 Gen Elky, I will just change out the motor ever two years so I can have my cake and eat it too....
As long as I'm not somking out the pipe, they would never know what is going under the hood. I don't think I have any other choice that makes sence for my situation.
It won't be that long before they (the State Gov, Annold A.. hole) make all cars quailfy for harsh Smog testing.
GET READY MY FELLOW MEMBERS, NO MATTER WHAT STATE YOU ARE IN, THEY ARE OUT OT GET YOU TOO.....
Just thinking about it makes me sick....
James84Elky said that...... _________________ Yaba, Daba, Doo, How Sweet it is.......Or was!
Super Chevy last month built an engine that turned out 400 horses and was completely Smog Legal in CA. They used all CARB Certified parts. The Peak avrage HP was something like 390 something but the peak hp number was over 400 horses. So, even if they pass the laws, which for the record I am opposed to, we can still have a good engine.
California has too many cars and that is just not going to change unless it gets to be a even bigger number. Every man women and child, number wise, has a car in cali. That is part of the smog issue. Where they sit and other atmospheric factors blend in to aggrivate the situation there. Mexico has the same issues. Let just annex California to Mexico and that will fix that issue altogether.
Sorry but I feel compelled to say this but... Democrats love to take your money and pass it out to all those poor individuals that don't work so they'll get votes. Then claim they did something "good" That is the "ONLY" difference between Democrats and Repiublicans they're both liars if their mouths are open! _________________ Home Site: http://www.elcaminoplace.com
1972 El Camino Custom 400
1976 El Camino Classic
1980 El Camino Super Sport
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Thats BS, they need to worry about more important issues
